Learning to Write Effectively Requires Different Kinds of Practice, Time, and Effort by Kathleen Yancey and All Writers Have More to Learn by Shirley Rose

Posted on October 28, 2023 by Abbi

In all writers have more to learn by Shirley Rose, the author explains how not all writers learn the same way and they are never truly done learning. The main point is that writers never do know everything about writing they can always learn more, such as a new genera, a new style of writing, improve their writing in general, learn more from lessons about writing and much more. The author also relates to the writing that is learned in schools and how it may be different for everyone but also how it is applicable to every day writing and you can build off of the basic topics that you may have learned in school. Just like in the Learning to Write Effectively Requires Different Kinds of Practice, Time, and Effort by Kathleen Yancey the author explains how practice in terms of your writing can also help your writing abilities improve. Like the saying Practice makes perfect which is mostly related to sports by the analogy can also be used in this situation both authors explain ways to keep learning and to keep practicing the writing so that you can get better at it.

 

In reference to the two articles I think that teachers should create a good common ground or building point which student can refer back to for practice, like a plot triangle it’s always a great reference if I am trying to figure out how to lay out a story line, or even a 5 paragraph essay template I often use that to create an easy way for me to put all of my essays together. But teachers should always reiterate that writing always needs more practice and learning to build on it it’s not something that Is learned all in high school that was just the beginning of all of it.

 

 

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Blog Post #10

Posted on October 27, 2023 by Sadee Hall

In ¨All Writers Have More to Learn¨ by Shirley Rose, the continuous learning aspect of the writing process takes center stage, emphasizing that writers, regardless of their proficiency, can consistently refine their skills through dedication and adaptation. This seamlessly connects to Kathleen Blake Yancey´s perspective in ¨Learning to Write Effectively Requires Different Kinds of Practice, Time, and Effort,¨ where she similarly highlights the need for a complex approach to writing development, one that necessitates sustained effort and a firm commitment to continuous learning. Together, these two authors highlight the dynamic nature of writing and the crucial role of ongoing improvement in achieving effective written communication.

The readings emphasize the importance of learning to write effectively. Writing teachers should provide diverse practice opportunities, and students must invest time and effort in sharpening these skills. Colleges should offer support and resources for student development, while k-12 education might need to emphasize more practical writing skills. My learning experience this semester is different than other learning experiences I have had because I am learning a different type of writing and it is also online.

 

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Blog post #10

Posted on October 26, 2023 by Aliya

In “Learning to write effectively requires different kinds of practice, time, and effort” by Kathleen Blake Yancey, she is steadfast that the only way to become a better writer is by practice and fluidity. Yancey recalls that there is a plethora of techniques that writers can follow and although not one is better than the other, a technique that is seen to be the most consistent is engaging with people and having them read and critique your writing since you will never fully know everything about the form. Similarly, the text “All Writers Have More to Learn” by Shirley Rose, holds many of the same ideas. Rose harps on the idea that you will never know everything that there is to know about writing because there is always more knowledge to obtain through ideas. Good writers are not naturally born but instead they are made through lots of time and practice. In the same manner, both texts give the message that if you can be good at a single genre, then you can be good at them all.

I think these two documents are important to be talked about in a writing class because they offer a simple stance from people who seem very knowledgeable about the topics that they are speaking on. Both pieces give the message to writing students about what to expect and what is normal and consistent throughout the challenges of writing. When comparing my experiences of writing this semester and in previous education levels, I recognize that I have covered more complex issues concerning my writing versus being awarded for mastering the standard five paragraph essay.

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Blog Post #10

Posted on October 26, 2023 by Isabel

In both “All Writers Have More to Learn” and “Learning to Write Effectively Requires Different Kinds of Practice, Time and Effort”, they talk about how a skill to write does not come naturally and will take practice to get to the final end goal. They also both talk about how there are different ways to write, one talks about the genres and one talks about the different technologies and formats. In “All Writers Have More to Learn”, the author talks about how no one can perfect something like writing, and how sometimes writing one way for a certain idea/genre will not get you anywhere near perfection for another type. In “Learning to Write Effectively Requires Different Kinds of Practice, Time and Effort”, the author talks about how you have to practice writing and find ways that work specifically for you. A writer could write however they would like, and use whatever resources they need, to meet their end goal. The author brings in the ideas that technologies will change your writer but will help you write better based on personal needs. They also liked to talk about how revising your writing will always help to improve writing. Writers can’t always see the wrongs the first time, so going back through to see the problems again or think again about what we were trying to say, will always be helpful to conduct a good piece. 

As teachers, to help students write it would be helpful to give feedback and allow for mistakes. No writer is ever going to be perfect, and practicing the rights and wrongs to find the end piece will always make them a better writer. As students, they need to be willing to practice writing, and give time for mistakes. If you don’t, your writing will continue to fail. Also students need to be open to change, especially when writing. Not everything will work out the first time, and change might need to be made to fit certain criteria. For colleges, there needs to continue to be different levels of writing classes, and specific genre classes. Learning to write is great, but learning to write from the beginning will always be something students need. The genres, some are more fluent in one than another. Allowing students to pick between could help them grow their talent in one area, or gain new knowledge in another. In K-12, there should be more opportunities to write about what excites someone, and more opportunities to peer edit with someone who is better. Going through highschool, I always peer edited with my friends, but they are at the same level as me and know just as much as I do to make writing good. It was never helpful, because I would get bad grades but after I had someone peer edit in class. In this semester, I have learned lots of new ways to write and think about my writing as well. I have learned the technique of basically dumping everything onto a page and then condensing it once all of my ideas are written. I have also learned new ways to think about my writings and how to make them better. This is different from other experiences, because all of the other classes I have had to write in aren’t focused on writing one essay after another, it’s always one essay then moving onto another topic that doesn’t involve one so I’m not learning the best techniques to perfecting an essay.

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Blog Post #10

Posted on October 26, 2023 by Angelina

The article, “All writers have more to learn”, by Shirley Rose is about how every writer is not perfect.  This article gives the idea that no one can ever perfect writing.  This explains how writing is not just a simple thing and instead being a non-natural process.  Shirley Rose explains that this makes writing an unstopping process and the idea of writing is never perfectible not being perfect itself.  The article, “Learning to Write Effectively Requires Different Kinds of Practice, Time, and Effort” by Kathleen Nancy, talks about the ideas of refining your techniques at writing.  Nancy continues to explain that some other acts you use to refine your abilities at activities such as swimming.  This continues to explain that writing isn’t just doing one thing but instead having many things to do.

The ideas of these articles are similar being that you need to learn stuff constantly and that writing has many ways of trying to learn it more.  They both hold hands that writing is never fully learned as it is never fully finished.  I believe the writing teachers need to have a more widespread amount of writing allowing the students to learn more about different types.  Writing students need to focus even more on the different types of writing allowing faster better improvements.  Colleges I feel need to give students better information and more types of writing such as making stuff need to be turned in in writing.  K-12 is a rigged focus on one thing at a time when the widespread idea is much better for the situation. I feel that the information from the different ideas and allowing the writer to improve with multiple of a similar writing.

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Blog post #10

Posted on October 26, 2023 by Kylie

In “all writers have something more to learn” one of the biggest things i took from reading this passage was that sometimes we don’t learn the best from trial and error but sometimes better to get very good direction for what we are writing.  Also that we transpire new ideas into our existing knowledge on the topic.

In the “Learning to write effectively” It talks about many different things you can practice to become good at writing. One that really stood out was to write in different places and that can help spark many more imagination. This can help the process of writing and be very good to help with the thought process. I think writing students need to try writing in different places and see if that can help the writing process in a good different way. Also the way that schools especially in my high school teach writing could give less detail and not give us an easy way to get the essay done.

 

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Blog Post #10

Posted on October 26, 2023 by Ashley

The article “All Writers Have More to Learn” by Shirley Rose discusses the notion that writing is an ongoing learning process, emphasizing that no writer ever reaches a point where they’ve learned everything there is to know about writing. It highlights that effective writing is context-specific and that writing abilities must continuously adapt to different situations and audiences. Similarly Kathleen Blake Yancey’s article “Learning to Write Effectively” complements this idea by underscoring the significance of practice in developing writing skills. It stresses that practice is crucial for achieving fluency and mastering the techniques and strategies necessary for various types of writing. Both articles emphasize that writing is not an inherent talent but a skill that evolves with experience and practice, echoing the need for ongoing learning and adaptation.

I think during my grade school years we were taught something different in writing every year so nothing ever stuck because it was not practiced enough. I think writing teachers need to be more in depth with what they want included in the essay. Again during my years in grade school one teacher would want the least amount of things included, but the next year when I would do exactly what I did the past year the teacher would give it a bad grade and say I did not include enough but there was nothing stating what they actually wanted. It felt like they always wanted us to read their minds.

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Practice, Time, and Effort

Posted on October 26, 2023 by coopea23

In “All Writers Have More to Learn,” the author emphasizes the perpetual learning process inherent to writing, showing that even experienced writers continually refine their skills through feedback and revision. In contrast, “Learning to Write Effectively Requires Different Kinds of Practice, Time, and Effort” explores the importance of deliberate practice, time investment, and efforts to improve writing proficiency. Both readings prove the idea that writing is a skill that demands ongoing dedication and deliberate practice.

The insights from both readings hold great importance for a writing class. Writing instructors should prioritize providing constructive feedback and fostering a growth mindset among their students. Encouraging persistence and the belief that improvement is achievable is key. Writing students should actively engage in iterative writing processes, seek feedback, and dedicate the necessary time to honing their skills, understanding that writing proficiency is not an innate talent but a skill that can be cultivated. Colleges must show the importance of writing across various disciplines, as strong writing skills are essential for academic and professional success. My experiences this semester echo the readings, as they emphasize continuous practice, feedback, and the commitment to improving writing skills.

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Blog post #10

Posted on October 26, 2023 by colliny1

In her article “Learning to Write Effectively,” Kathleen Blake Yancey discusses the value of writing practice. More people need to work on certain aspects of writing, such as flow and honing skills. she also mentions that practicing with other people might help us communicate more effectively through our writing. We must practice in order to write successfully in different situations. Similarly, Shirly Rose highlights the continuous learning cycle of writing. She says that if someone masters how to write in one context, they must learn to write successfully in another. She also mentions that writers can use different tactics that work for them in the writing process.

I feel like teachers should be a little more lenient and try to recognize growth in a students writing instead of expecting things to be so perfect. I also feel like as a student, students need to make sure they do the work to effectively grow as a writer. K-12 could help students better prepare for writing college level essays, I feel like most things we learn in those grades are somewhat helpful but most things go out the window. This semester i learned it’s okay to make mistakes and that the writing process gets easier and easier with practice.


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Blog #10

Posted on October 26, 2023 by Rhiann

The article, “learning to write effectively requires different kinds of practice, time and effort” by Kathleen Blake Yancey, she describes the importance of practice. Many think that writing comes naturally, you can pick up a pen or open the computer and know what you want to say. But, Yancey says this is not the case. She explains that writing takes practice. Many writers need practice in the genre they desire to write in before they can become good at it. In the article “All Writer Have More to Learn” by Shirley Rose she also mentioned something similar as Yancey by saying many people think writing comes naturally. She also states that educators need to understand that writing doesn’t come naturally to all students, that everyone learns at different paces. Rose says, although a student may be good at writing in one subject, they may not do as good in another writing topic. Finally, Rose mentions that there is always more to be learned about writing and we will never be perfect in how we write. We eventually tend to find strategies that work for us that help up become better writers overtime. 

I think when it comes to writing teachers something that could possibly change and make a difference to students is how they grade. As mentioned in both paragraphs, everyone writes differently. Some people are better in writing in a certain topic and not so good at other topics. When it comes to grading, I think school teachers and professors should consider this more when it comes to grading. Although you can’t give a not so good piece of writing a perfect grade, I think there should be some leeway with how well students write. For example, a student may be a good writer most of the time and do bad on a certain topic. This should be taken into consideration when grading. The student is a good writer, but this topic didn’t go super well for them. 

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